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Post by Activist on Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:30 am

What did we make of the first test gents?

I thought Wales put in a solid performance as expected but I always knew that the All Blacks would come back and get the win in the end. It was a great game to start off the season and the way the game played out was perfect for integrating the new boys into the international scene.

Much talk about the midfield and rightly so - very shaky, not just the midfield but also Naholos inexperience on the right wing making that 12/13/14 defensive line even more suspect... probably why Smith was moved onto the right wing early in the second half.

Naholo was a beast on attack though, thought Cruden had a great game, the All Blacks are at their best attacking wise when he is running the ship. Even though he made 6/9 those misses put a lot of pressure on All Blacks early on.

Read was massive, Barrett came on and made a decent impact on the game - bench as solid as always.

Any changes for the next test?

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Post by Bren on Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:53 am

It was funny, my brother was freaking out at halftime. I was confident that the All Blacks would pull away after halftime. Especially when it came time to empty the bench.

But good to see Wales coming to play a more expansive game of rugby. Hopefully we'll see more of that in the next two tests.

If Whitelock/Ngati are back from injury I'll put them in the starting lineup for the second test.

Any chance of seeing the likes of Mckenzie/Sopoaga/Dixon/Squire take the field at any point? Like to see the first three get some game time at some point.

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Post by Activist on Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:06 pm

I reckon the selectors will stick with largely the same team, Whitelock will come in for Romano - he had a solid game though. I wouldn't like to tackle that dude.

I'd give either Dixon or Squire a crack on the bench in place of Savea Jnr. Introuce those 3 players in each game and give them a taste.

Only other change I would make might be Fekitoa to 12, Taminivalu into 13 or him for a straight swap with Fekitoa though I think they'll run give Crotty and Fekitoa more time in the saddle.

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Post by Brentton on Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:00 pm

Wouldn't expect any changes for the 2nd test apart from Whitelock if he's back from injury.

Third test is when we will probably see changes. Possibly Dixon starting at 6, Lima or Barrett at 10...

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Post by simon71 on Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:49 pm

Personally I'd like to see the cruden/crotty/fekitoa combination used again in the next test. It would give them a chance to settle in and improve
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Post by tryasta on Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:03 pm

I was screaming at everyone at home at halftime. Embarassed Embarassed

Oh my, how they pissed me off. I thought Fekitoa had a really woeful game. And that's largely why the selectors will give him a second chance. "Look boy, go out and right your wrongs". Savea was unseen for most of the match and I really liked the way Read led. We are going to need a lot of this type of performances from him, I think. Read and Retallick I liked, the rest of the pack... so so.

Aaron Smith and Cruden were really good. How important is for any team in the world the quality of ball Smith produces?

However, for me the real standout was Barnes. He pissed me off every single time. I think he's the most pedantic referee in the world, and the blunder in the 70th minute... it was just funny. Luckily he was right in the subsequent Wales attack when ruled Faletau was ahead of the kicker.

I can't wait for Whitelock to join the lot and I expect much more from Cane, Coles, Fekitoa and Savea in the second test.
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Post by tryasta on Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:05 pm

BTW: Aussie and SA didn't have easy starts either... Alister Coetzee must have had a really difficult night.

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Post by ivelostmysparky on Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:41 am

I thought it was a good performance considering it was the first test of the season. Read and Cruden were the best I reckon. Naholo was everywhere on the park and devastating on attack but can't catch or pass it seems. He got involved way more than Savea when he was on the right wing, and did more when he was on the left when Smith was on the right. He loves looking for work which is great. Give him time and patience and he'll be the mutt's nuts.

Julian Savea was shit yet again, and missed multiple tackles on North. Tell him to have a barnstormer at home in Welly otherwise he'll be dropped for the 3rd test. Fekitoa the 2nd worst back, with Crotty adequate. If fit, straight swap Whitelock for Romano, and Ngatai for Crotty, otherwise keep the same 23 as is.
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Post by Activist on Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:30 am

I think I saw somewhere that Ngatai still hasn't recovered from concussion so I don't think he'll be in this series at all... sounds kinda serious and to be out for that long and still not recover - and then throw him into international rugby would be silly. It's a shame he was in sublime form.




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Post by Bren on Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:46 am

Shit, you definitely don't want to be suffering from the effects of concussion for this long. Sad

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Post by Activist on Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:54 am

Yeah and Ngatai already wears head gear so he's cautious as it is, he probably would take the field extremely weary and his confidence would be low so that might affect his performance.

James Broadhurst is another player who has been out with concussion, he hasn't taken the field in nearly a year because of it.

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Post by chewy on Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:30 pm

Chiefs on fire!
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Post by tryasta on Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:21 pm

28-7 with 5 to go. It puts into perspective all the fuss about test rugby, does it not? lol!

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Post by Bren on Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:33 pm

Didn't see the match but nicely done Chiefs.

On a different note I got a chuckle out of this article: http://thespinoff.co.nz/sports/14-06-2016/we-found-the-usain-bolt-of-world-rugby-and-he-is-a-lowly-touch-judge/

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Post by ivelostmysparky on Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:56 pm

Thought the Chiefs backs would do well but the forwards really got stuck in too. Nice one Chiefs.
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Post by Activist on Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:59 am

Wales must of underestimated the Chiefs... no way that should happen but I guess it's a testament to how strong NZ rugby is.

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Post by ivelostmysparky on Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:47 am

@ivelostmysparky wrote:Julian Savea was shit yet again, and missed multiple tackles on North. Tell him to have a barnstormer at home in Welly otherwise he'll be dropped for the 3rd test.

Didn't even get another chance at home.
Savea out. Dagg in.
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Post by gimping on Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:58 am

I like this week's team, with the exception of tuipolotu would rather have Romano on the bench after being so good last week. Daggs form has been exceptional in super rugby, even though dmac has been pretty exciting Dagg is pushing to be the best 15 in the country. Doubt he will be the best again but he deserves the start

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Post by Pantherus on Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:47 am

@ivelostmysparky wrote:
@ivelostmysparky wrote:Julian Savea was shit yet again, and missed multiple tackles on North. Tell him to have a barnstormer at home in Welly otherwise he'll be dropped for the 3rd test.

Didn't even get another chance at home.
Savea out. Dagg in.

Much as I like Savea, I'm glad that Hansen's being somewhat ruthless in his selections. This is not the time to pander or play favourites.
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Post by Elsteveo on Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:30 am

@Pantherus wrote:
@ivelostmysparky wrote:
@ivelostmysparky wrote:Julian Savea was shit yet again, and missed multiple tackles on North. Tell him to have a barnstormer at home in Welly otherwise he'll be dropped for the 3rd test.

Didn't even get another chance at home.
Savea out. Dagg in.

Much as I like Savea, I'm glad that Hansen's being somewhat ruthless in his selections.  This is not the time to pander or play favourites.

I agree there has to be competition for spots. I am hopeful this opens the door a bit more for James Lowe he just about kicked it down on Tuesday night.

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Post by tryasta on Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:28 pm

Well, lately Dagg seems to be working hard to earn his spot whereas Savea seems to be working really hard to lose his so... I think everyone got what they were looking for.

I agree with gimping, I prefer Tuipulotu over Romano.

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Post by Activist on Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:07 pm

Romano is getting old though, he isn't really an impact player more of a starter.

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Post by gimping on Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:50 am

He had a rough couple of years with injury. at one stage he was neck and neck with retallick but now we'll and truly in his shadow

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Post by Activist on Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:47 am

He is a Brad Thorn type lock, he damages bodies with his ball carries - you can hear the impact on the TV. Tuipolotu is much the same, though is more dynamic with ball in hand and has age on his side.

I can only see two outcomes from this weekends game... Wales will either win or get hammered.

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Post by Bren on Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:37 pm

Ben Smith and Israel Dagg will play their 50th test match tomorrow night.

Some examples of the delights they've given us over that time.

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